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Subject: creatine
Submitted by: Ben Witmer, Norristown,
PA
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QUESTION: Prior to embarking on the NHE program I had been using creatine,
and I feel that it has helped my intensity in the gym. I was concerned, however, about the
compatibility of creatine with the NHE Eating Plan. You are supposed to take creatine with
carbs, because supposedly creatine doesn't work without insulin - but this threatens to
push me over my carb-limits.
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ROB'S ANSWER:
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The notion that creatine is worthless unless taken with
carbohydrate is categorically false. For hundreds-of-thousands of years "man the
hunter" got creatine from meat unaccompanied by a high-sugar drink (however, a
quantity of creatine sufficient to promote maximum anaerobic output is not reasonably
obtainable through food alone). But now, to secure their market share of creatine sales,
some supplement companies have propagated the idea that creatine
doesn't
work unless you take
it with some special concoction of cheap sugars that they sell. Nonsense. |
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... to
allow creatine-loading to dictate your diet,
rather than your diet dictate creatine-loading
is a case of inverted priorities.
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Studies do show that consuming creatine with carbohydrate
increases its uptake by the muscles via the action of insulin. However, this does not mean
that without an insulin surge creatine cannot be absorbed by the muscles. It simply means
you must ingest correspondingly more creatine to get the same absolute amount of creatine
absorption since the rate of absorption is lower - in the same way that you must drive for
a longer period of time to go a certain distance traveling 50 MPH than if you were
traveling 80 MPH. You should weigh the incremental benefit of taking creatine with carbs
against the detriment of evoking insulin's other, less desirable, properties.
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Having said this, the NHE Eating Plan is actually quite compatible
with creatine supplementation. The carb-load meals provide an ideal occasion to load
creatine, not only because of the insulin spike it creates but also because of the
"glycogen supercompensation effect" discussed in NHE. Although there are no
studies on this specific issue, it is reasonable to postulate that creatine uptake by the
muscles will be accelerated if creatine is consumed at a time when glucose uptake is
accelerated. During the downcycle, when carbs are low, you can enhance creatine absorption
and retention by taking it immediately after training. This is when ATP regeneration and
phosphate synthesis are at a peak. (This does not mean you shouldn't also take it before
training.)
Overall, I believe that the benefits of
macronutrient cycling as outlined in Natural Hormonal Enhancement - in terms of
health,
muscle
building, and fat burning - vastly outweigh the modest, and
compensable,
reduction in creatine absorption resulting from consuming it unaccompanied with
carbohydrate. Your overall diet is much more important than creatine and will have a much
greater influence on your health and physique. Therefore, to allow creatine-loading to dictate your diet, rather than your diet dictate
creatine-loading is a case of inverted priorities.
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Subject:
adolescent
use
of
the
bodybuilders'
NHE
Eating
Plan
Submitted By:
Names
changed
at
request
of
sender
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QUESTION:
Dear
Mr.
Faigin,
Both
my
16
year
old
son
and
I
have
read
your
book
-
it
is
great
and
very
much
needed.
I
would
say
more,
but
I
am
sure
you
are
a
very
busy
man
so
I
will
get
to
the
point.
I
am
writing
to
ask
if
the
extended
use
of
this
diet
by
an
adolescent
is
okay
given
an
adolescence's
rapid
growing
body.
I
did
not
find
in
the
book
any
reference
to
age
appropriateness
and
am
concerned
as
my
son
is
adhering
to
the
diet
in
the
VERY
strict
manner.
I
will
give
you
some
background:
Jeffrey
is
16
years
old,
weighs
at
present
185,
is
5'
10''
tall
and
has
always
been
very
athletic
and
active.
Since
football
ended
in
November,
he
has
been
working
out
5
days
a
week
at
the
high
school
weight
room
and
track,
(Monday,
Wednesday
&
Friday
is
upper
body-
Tuesday
&
Thursday
is
lower
body)
for
about
two
hours
each
day.
He
is
determined
to
make
210
lbs.
by
football
season
September
2001.
He
is
a
very
DETERMINED
young
man
as
any
of
his
friends,
coaches
and
family
could
verify.
He
has
been
asking
to
take
supplements
(specifically
creatine)
to
help
him
elevate
his
weight,
but
as
yet
we
have
not
permitted
it.
The
"Natural
Enhancement"
caught
his
eye,
and
the
book
was
ordered.
He
read
it
in
a
weekend
and
started
the
diet
the
next
Monday.
I
started
it
also,
but
to
lose
weight,
not
gain.
Jeffrey
is
so
active
with
the
year
round
sports
and
weight
lifting,
student
government
and
homework
studies
(no
couch
potato
here)
that
I
am
concerned
about
the
restricted
carbs,
especially
as
strictly
as
he
insists
in
limiting
them.
He
will
hardly
eat
one
piece
of
fruit
a
day
(he
feels
it
threatens
his
carb
limit
too
much)
and
is
maybe
eating
2
servings
of
vegetables
per
day
(primarily
broccoli
with
cheese).
For
example,
his
lunch
has
included
15
rolls
of
salami
with
cream
cheese,
cheddar
cheese
sticks,
two
hot
dogs
(all
beef)
about
2-3
ozs.
of
ham
and
two
bottles
of
water.
His
between
meal
"snacks"
are
a
can
of
tuna
with
mayo
and
some
cheese,
or
ham
rolls
and
some
sugar
free
jello
with
whipped
cream.
He
is
eating
the
five
meals
a
day
that
is
recommended
in
the
weight
lifters
regime.
Is
he
getting
enough
vitamins
or
minerals?
(he
does
take
a
multivitamin)
and
is
he
possibly
missing
out
other
nutrients
that
are
beneficial
that
would
not
be
found
in
cheese
and
meat?
I'm
also
concerned
about
whether
he's
getting
enough
calories.
My
son
is
very
well
known
and
admired
at
his
high
school
and
I
could
see
him
zealously
promoting
this
diet
to
the
coaches
and
varsity
team
if
it
works
well
for
him.
I
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time,
again,
we
both
applaud
the
ingenuity
and
resourcefulness
of
your
book.
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ROB'S ANSWER:
Dear
Elaine,
As
an
initial
matter,
my
readers
are
required
to
call
me
"Rob"
not
"Mr.
Faigin."
I
believe
that
the
author-reader
bond
automatically
places
us
on
a
first-name
basis.
Someone
who
reads
my
book
but
never
met
me
knows
me
much
more
intimately
than
most
people
who
meet
me
but
never
read
my
book.
Your
Jeffrey
seems
like
a
great
kid.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
help
him
while
addressing
your
concerns.
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All
of
the
literature
about
NHE
published
by
Extique
(press
releases,
sales
letters,
website,
back
of
the
book,
etc.)
harps
on
the
theme
of
"comprehensiveness,"
and
NHE
is
characterized
as
a
"unified,
integrated
program."
This
is
neither
idle
chatter
nor
groundless
sales
patter,
for
a
hormonally
unsound
diet
will
counteract
a
hormonally
sound
exercise
program,
and
vice
versa
-
and
the
same
applies
to
lifestyle.
Those
people
who
view
NHE
as
a
"diet
book"
are
undervaluing
its
contribution
and
distorting
its
essence.
To
his
detriment,
your
son
has
taken
this
flawed
view
of
Natural
Hormonal
Enhancement.
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All
of
the
literature
about
NHE
published
by
Extique.
.
.
harps
on
the
theme
of
"comprehensiveness,"
and
NHE
is
characterized
as
a
"unified,
integrated
program."
This
is
neither
idle
chatter
nor
groundless
sales
patter,
for
a
hormonally
unsound
diet
will
counteract
a
hormonally
sound
exercise
program,
and
vice
versa
-
and
the
same
applies
to
lifestyle.
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Those
people
who
view
NHE
as
a
"diet
book"
are
undervaluing
its
contribution
and
distorting
its
essence.
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Specifically,
Jeffrey's
training
program
is
a
woeful
departure
from
the
principles
of
hormonally-intelligent
exercise.
Not
only
is
excessive
volume
generally
bad
for
hormonal
status
and
by
extension
health,
but
it
specifically
undermines
Jeffrey's
objective
of
building
mass,
in
two
ways.
For
one,
he
is
likely
suppressing
his
growth
hormone
and
testosterone
levels
to
some
extent.
One
needn't
be
an
NHE
scholar
to
appreciate
the
importance
of
these
notoriously
anabolic
hormones
in
the
muscle-building
process.
Furthermore,
overtraining
burns-up
calories
that
could
otherwise
be
used
for
growth;
and
it
compounds
the
possible
calorie
deficit
incurred
as
a
result
of
improper
application
of
the
bodybuilders'
NHE
Eating
Plan.
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You
describe
Jeffrey
as
very
zealous
in
pursuing
his
goals.
While
this
is
an
admirable
trait,
it
makes
him
susceptible
to
overtraining.
And,
the
compulsion
to
overtrain
is
magnified
where
misguided
coaches
and
peers
associate
dedication
with
how
long
and
how
frequently
one
trains.
When
I
was
16
years
old,
I
was,
like
Jeffrey,
consumed
by
the
single-minded
objective
of
building
muscle
for
football.
My
training
routine
back
then
was
as
bad
as
Jeffrey's
is
today.
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The
compulsion
to
overtrain
is
magnified
where
misguided
coaches
and
peers
associate
dedication
with
how
long
and
how
frequently
one
trains.
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As
an
adolescent,
I
was
so
fanatical
about
working-out
that
if
Moses
had
come
down
from
the
Mount
and
pointed
to
a
tablet
upon
which
was
inscribed
"thou
shalt
not
train
6
days
a
week,"
I
would
have
interpreted
this
to
mean
I
should
train
every
day.
Thus,
I
would
be
neither
offended
nor
surprised
if
Jeffrey
chooses
to
disregard
my
advice,
my
years
of
experience
and
research
notwithstanding.
For
those
who
are
driven,
the
concept
that
less
can
produce
more
is
cosmically
disorienting.
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As
an
adolescent,
I
was
so
fanatical
about
working-out
that
if
Moses
had
come
down
from
the
Mount
and
pointed
to
a
tablet
upon
which
was
inscribed
"thou
shalt
not
train
6
days
a
week,"
I
would
have
interpreted
this
to
mean
I
should
train
every
day.
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Now
that
Jeffrey
has
been
well
chastised,
I
commend
him
on
following
my
instructions
about
eating
vegetables.
Two
servings
per
day
is
more
than
a
lot
of
kids
his
age
consume.
Which
demonstrates
an
important
point:
just
because
one
is
consuming
a
low-carb
diet
doesn't
mean
he/she
has
a
lower
intake
of
vitamins
and
minerals
than
one
who
is
consuming
a
high-carb
diet.
In
fact,
many
people
who
consume
a
high-carb
diet
rarely
come
within
arm's
length
of
a
fruit
or
vegetable.
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For
those
who
are
driven,
the
concept
that
less
can
produce
more
is
cosmically
disorienting.
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Granted,
it
is
difficult
to
eat
a
substantial
amount
of
fruit
during
the
bodybuilders'
NHE
Eating
Plan
downcycle.
But
vegetables
can
largely
pinch-hit
for
fruit
provided
that
one
varies
them.
You
said
that
Jeffrey
"primarily"
eats
broccoli.
Broccoli
is
great,
but
make
sure
he
eats
other
low-carb
vegetables
as
well.
Diversity
of
fruit
and
vegetable
consumption
is
as
important
as
quantity.
The
more
you
vary
the
color
of
the
vegetables
you
eat,
the
more
nutritional
coverage
you'll
get
(i.e.,
in
addition
to
green,
yellow
(squash),
orange
(carrot),
white
(onion),
purple
(cabbage)
).
This
is
one
instance
in
which
a
policy
of
enforced
diversity
based
on
skin
color
is
indisputably
beneficial.
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Diversity
of
fruit
and
vegetable
consumption
is
as
important
as
quantity.
The
more
you
vary
the
color
of
the
vegetables
you
eat,
the
more
nutritional
coverage
you'll
get.
.
.
This
is
one
instance
in
which
a
policy
of
enforced
diversity
based
on
skin
color
is
indisputably
beneficial.
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Jeffrey
can
compensate
for
limitations
imposed
by
the
bodybuilders'
NHE
Eating
Plan
by:
1)
diligently
eating
vegetables
every
day,
and
2)
employing
the
diversity
strategy
explained
above.
When
the
upcycle
(i.e.,
carb-load)
rolls
around,
although
he'll
be
eating
mostly
starchy
carbs,
he
should
include
some
fruit.
With
respect
to
the
starchy
component,
potato
(skin
included,
both
white
and
sweet)
is
an
excellent
carb-load
food,
and
it
is
more
nutritious
than
processed
carbohydrate
sources,
such
as
pasta
and
most
breads.
If
Jeffrey
follows
the
recommendations
outlined
above,
not
only
will
the
probability
of
a
nutritional
shortfall
be
remote,
but
his
nutritional
status
will
likely
be
superior
to
most
kids
his
age.
Nonetheless,
I
strongly
advise
a
daily
high-potency
multivitamin
as
insurance
(not
just
for
Jeffrey
but
for
everyone,
whether
following
NHE
or
not).
The
key
words
are
"high-potency."
If
the
label
says
100%
RDA
or
less
for
most
nutrients,
then
it
is
not
high,
but
rather
low,
potency
(you
absorb
only
a
small
percentage
of
the
nutrition
contained
in
a
vitamin
pill,
especially
if
it
is
a
tablet).
High
potency
multivitamins
are
marked
by
nutrient
values
substantially
exceeding
the
RDA.
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Regarding
your
concern
about
"the
restricted
carbs,"
for
most
of
human
existence
Homo
sapiens
consumed
much
less
carbohydrate
than
do
"civilized"
individuals
living
in
the
modern
era;
consequently,
they
were
healthier
(see
NHE
Chapter
5).
To
the
extent
that
meat
and
vegetables
have
displaced
processed
carbohydrate
foods
in
Jeffrey's
diet
since
he
began
the
NHE
Eating
Plan,
he
has
adopted
a
diet
that
better
harmonizes
with
his
(and
all
humans')
genetic
constitution.
The
periodic
carb-load
meals
will
provide
Jeffrey
with
more
carbohydrate
than
he
needs
for
optimal
health
and
growth.
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.
.
.
in
America
today
there
is
an
unprecedented
epidemic
of
Type
II
diabetes
among
adolescents.
Stated
differently,
"adult-onset
diabetes"
is
not
just
for
adults
anymore;
and
a
high-sugar
diet
promotes
this
dreadful
condition.
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On
a
related
note,
I
don't
know
if
you
are
aware,
but
in
America
today
there
is
an
unprecedented
epidemic
of
Type
II
diabetes
among
adolescents.
Stated
differently,
"adult-onset
diabetes"
is
not
just
for
adults
anymore;
and
a
high-sugar
diet
promotes
this
dreadful
condition.
In
summary,
you
need
not
worry
about
your
son's
carbohydrate
consumption
while
on
the
NHE
Eating
Plan.
But
if
and
when
he
quits
the
Eating
Plan
and
the
sugar
shackles
come
off,
you
may
reasonably
feel
a
jolt
of
fright
at
the
impending
return
of
the
cookie
monster.
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.
.
.
you
need
not
worry
about
your
son's
carbohydrate
consumption
while
on
the
NHE
Eating
Plan.
But
if
and
when
he
quits
the
Eating
Plan
and
the
sugar
shackles
come
off,
you
may
reasonably
feel
a
jolt
of
fright
at
the
impending
return
of
the
cookie
monster.
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While
cyclically
restricted
carbohydrate
consumption
is
not
problematic
per
se,
it
poses
an
indirect
risk
by
making
it
more
difficult
to
consume
sufficient
calories
to
support
growth.
As
I
state
frankly
on
p.
134
of
my
book,
"consuming
enough
fat
to
fill
the
caloric
void
left
by
carbohydrate
is
not
easy."
And
for
an
adolescent,
the
potential
consequences
of
failing
to
do
so
are
more
serious
than
for
an
adult.
Hence,
your
stated
concern
on
this
point
is
justified.
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With
carbohydrate
intake
tightly
restricted
most
of
the
time
on
the
bodybuilders'
NHE
Eating
Plan,
and
with
a
per-meal
protein
moderation
requirement
further
constraining
caloric
intake,
a
studious
effort
to
maintain
a
persistently
high
intake
of
fat
and
to
eat
frequently
is
necessary
to
avert
a
caloric
shortfall.
Of
course,
to
support
growth
merely
avoiding
a
calorie
deficiency
is
not
satisfactory.
Rather,
a
calorie
surplus
is
required.
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With
carbohydrate
intake
tightly
restricted
most
of
the
time
on
the
bodybuilders'
version
of
the
NHE
Eating
Plan,
and
with
a
per-meal
protein
moderation
requirement
further
constraining
caloric
intake,
a
studious
effort
to
maintain
a
persistently
high
intake
of
fat
and
to
eat
frequently
is
necessary
to
avert
a
caloric
shortfall.
Of
course,
to
support
growth
merely
avoiding
a
calorie
deficiency
is
not
satisfactory.
Rather,
a
calorie
surplus
is
required.
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Because
of
the
extraordinary
energy
needs
of
an
adolescent
bodybuilder,
I
recommend
Jeffrey
supplement
with
oil.
I
find
that
a
swig
of
flaxseed
oil
is
significantly
less
likely
to
make
me
retch
than
a
swig
of
olive
oil.
A
more
palatable
way
to
increase
lipid
consumption
is
to
add
oil
and/or
cream
to
a
protein
shake.
A
couple
per
day
of
inter-meal
high-fat
protein
shakes
can
add
thousands
of
calories
per
week
to
Jeffrey's
diet.
Natural
nut/seed
butter
is
another
option.
Tahini
(sesame
seed
butter),
which
is
higher
in
fat
and
lower
in
carbohydrate
than
peanut
butter,
is
probably
your
best
choice
within
this
category.
Now
that
I
have
addressed
all
of
the
issues
you
raise
in
your
letter,
permit
me
to
raise
one
of
my
own.
Although
your
listing
of
Jeffrey's
foods
was
intended
to
be
illustrative
not
comprehensive,
the
conspicuous
absence
of
"good
fats"
gives
me
pause.
Specifically,
I
wonder
whether
Jeffrey
read
Chapter
18.
If
he
did
read
it,
then
I
question
the
degree
to
which
my
painstaking
emphasis
on
the
importance
of
eating
healthy
fats
impressed
him.
I'll
put
it
bluntly:
unless
Jeffrey
is
committed
to
following
the
actual
bodybuilders'
NHE
Eating
Plan
with
all
of
its
inconvenient
nuances,
as
opposed
to
a
related
version
invented
by
him,
I
do
not
approve
of
his
being
on
it.
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Even
if
Jeffrey
does
adhere
to
the
actual
Eating
Plan,
I
am
ambivalent
with
respect
to
whether
he
should
be
on
it.
This
is
in
contrast
to
my
unequivocal
positivity
that
he
should
not
be
on
the
high-carbohydrate
diet
that
has
mightily
contributed
to
the
spectacular
rise
in
adolescent
diabetes.
One
reason
why
I
can't
heartily
endorse
the
use
of
the
bodybuilders'
NHE
Eating
Plan
by
adolescents
is
because
most
of
the
studies
cited
in
Natural
Hormonal
Enhancement
and
all
of
the
positive
reports
from
users
of
the
Eating
Plan
pertain
to
adults.
Secondly,
the
bodybuilders'
NHE
Eating
Plan
is
a
difficult
and
burdensome
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.
the
bodybuilders'
version
of
the
NHE
Eating
Plan
is
a
difficult
and
burdensome
diet.
And
where
compliance
is
lax
or
even
where
a
determined
effort
to
comply
falls
short,
calorie
and
nutrient
deficiency
can
result,
to
the
exceptionally
heavy
detriment
of
an
adolescent.
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diet.
And,
as
discussed
above,
where
compliance
is
lax
or
even
where
a
determined
effort
to
comply
falls
short,
calorie
and
nutrient
deficiency
can
result,
to
the
exceptionally
heavy
detriment
of
an
adolescent.
Having
said
this,
if
Jeffrey
meticulously
follows
all
the
instructions
and
guidelines
in
Natural
Hormonal
Enhancement
and
implements
the
additional
instructions
and
guidelines
embodied
in
this
letter,
I
cannot
articulate
a
reason
why
the
bodybuilders'
NHE
Eating
Plan
would
be
harmful
to
him.
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